Only a little 2.7 RS engine, but should work pretty well in the Beast.
This engine in a 2350# full sized 911 did a 2.06 at Thunder Hill.
BPR continues to move forward.
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Took a beautiful road trip over the Sierra Nevada mountains today to Reno today and picked up a new engine for the Beast.
Only a little 2.7 RS engine, but should work pretty well in the Beast.
This engine in a 2350# full sized 911 did a 2.06 at Thunder Hill.
BPR continues to move forward.
Only a little 2.7 RS engine, but should work pretty well in the Beast.
This engine in a 2350# full sized 911 did a 2.06 at Thunder Hill.
BPR continues to move forward.
QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Feb 14 2007, 08:16 PM) 
pictures would be nice Randal, by the way have you looked at the questionaire I forwarded to you?
I've been on the road since early this AM, but will check e-mail now.
I'll try to get some pictures tomorrow at Bill's House.
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QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Feb 14 2007, 08:16 PM)
pictures would be nice Randal, by the way have you looked at the questionaire I forwarded to you?
I've been on the road since early this AM, but will check e-mail now.
I'll try to get some pictures tomorrow at Bill's House.
Dan,
Do you mean the motorsportsreg form?
Webers?
or did you say special FI?
Nice score.
KT
or did you say special FI?
Nice score.
KT
QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 14 2007, 08:25 PM)
Webers?
or did you say special FI?
Nice score.
KT
or did you say special FI?
Nice score.
KT
This is a Matt Lowrance special with Haltech.....
Lightweight and fast!....
Bill P.
Do we have a shakedown date projected? I'd kinda like to be there.
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work party
Yes!!
KT
Cool! Glad youre going this route rather than big bad 3.6. With a 2.7 in the Beast my 2.4 will have a chance to draft you on the track.
QUOTE (nine14cats @ Feb 14 2007, 08:27 PM)
Lightweight and fast!....
Bill P.
Bill P.
How light?
QUOTE (grantsfo @ Feb 15 2007, 08:54 AM)
Cool! Glad youre going this route rather than big bad 3.6. With a 2.7 in the Beast my 2.4 will have a chance to draft you on the track.
We were going to go the 3.6 route, until we found out about this engine.
A RS spec 2.7 is pretty powerful and given the weight difference (engine and transmission) between our combination and a 3.6 you've got to wonder how much difference there will be when the car is finished?
Our view was that the additional dollars ($$$$$$) didn't justify going with the 3.6.
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QUOTE (nine14cats @ Feb 14 2007, 08:27 PM)
Lightweight and fast!....
Bill P.
Bill P.
How light?
To be honest I don't know, but the Beast is mostly tube frame, excluding the tub. All the body panels/front end are fg, not much steel left.
We will have to weigh it before we put in the motor and transmission and let you know.
I'm hoping in the 1700# range.
QUOTE (Randal @ Feb 14 2007, 08:13 PM)
Took a beautiful road trip over the Sierra Nevada mountains today to Reno today and picked up a new engine for the Beast.
Only a little 2.7 RS engine, but should work pretty well in the Beast.
This engine in a 2350# full sized 911 did a 2.06 at Thunder Hill.
BPR continues to move forward.
Only a little 2.7 RS engine, but should work pretty well in the Beast.
This engine in a 2350# full sized 911 did a 2.06 at Thunder Hill.
BPR continues to move forward.
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love it.
Awesome!!
Need me to test it out for you while the beast is being finished?
KT
Need me to test it out for you while the beast is being finished?
KT
QUOTE (Randal @ Feb 15 2007, 09:10 AM)
QUOTE (grantsfo @ Feb 15 2007, 08:54 AM)
Cool! Glad youre going this route rather than big bad 3.6. With a 2.7 in the Beast my 2.4 will have a chance to draft you on the track.
We were going to go the 3.6 route, until we found out about this engine.
A RS spec 2.7 is pretty powerful and given the weight difference (engine and transmission) between our combination and a 3.6 you've got to wonder how much difference there will be when the car is finished?
Our view was that the additional dollars ($$$$$$) didn't justify going with the 3.6.
That has been my assessment. If youre going the 3.6 route there is a lot of work you need to do to get full potential of all that added power. For me going after weight savings and keeping overall balance with a reasonable budget made the hot 2.4 six a perfect choice. With 2.4 I could comfortably stay with 901 gear box and stockish 911 suspension and brakes then focus on getting weight off the car.
What kind of HP do you think this 2.7 RS motor makes? Will The Beast be ready for this season? Cant tell you how excited I am about all these quick 914's emerging in Nor Cal this year. We really should have a concerted effort to show up at some key events this year.
QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Feb 15 2007, 10:32 AM)
I likey 
Love a nicely built 2.7. that should do the job nicely in the Beast....so when are we installing that puppy?
what is that fitting on the air cleaner...bung for O2 sensor for the Haltech?
Love a nicely built 2.7. that should do the job nicely in the Beast....so when are we installing that puppy?
what is that fitting on the air cleaner...bung for O2 sensor for the Haltech?
Air temperature sensor.
You want it right where the air goes into the trumpet on the throttle body, it reads exactly what the engine is getting.
Matt, of course, put it in exactly the right place, i.e., it is in the middle of the trumpet.
QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Feb 15 2007, 10:43 AM)
I'll bet that motor is in the 250HP range with some nice torque too, since it was in one of Matt's cars...he doesn't build boat anchors
Bill, Randa, any idea on what the max RPM is? Like 7,500 or 8?
Bill, Randa, any idea on what the max RPM is? Like 7,500 or 8?
Most of the torque is between 5K and 7K, so we'll probably be shifting at 7K. Might as well see if we can keep the motor in one piece for awhile.
I run a 2.7 RS spec engine in my 911 RS clone - I love that motor - nice torque - very lively and easy revving all the way up to 7500 rpm - 
sweet!!!
I have been making progress on the working area for "The Beast". My next visit north (next week) I'll start running the brake lines and install the suspension. I hope to have it on the ground by next weekend.
We will coordinate a "work party" when the engine and trans are ready for the tub.
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We will coordinate a "work party" when the engine and trans are ready for the tub.
B
QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 15 2007, 06:48 PM)
I have been making progress on the working area for "The Beast". My next visit north (next week) I'll start running the brake lines and install the suspension. I hope to have it on the ground by next weekend.
We will coordinate a "work party" when the engine and trans are ready for the tub.
B
We will coordinate a "work party" when the engine and trans are ready for the tub.
B
FYI the engine and transmission will be ready to go in in a couple of weeks. The transmission is being rebuilt as we speak.
I have been rifle'ing through the parts to determine what we are missing. It looks pretty complete. I need to replinish the bolt bin prior to assembly, but seriously, it looks like we have everything.
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Which trans will go on? MSX or KQV? Other? It is a 901, right?
KT
KT
QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 15 2007, 10:30 PM)
Which trans will go on? MSX or KQV? Other? It is a 901, right?
KT
KT
A 901 with a posi and MSX gears to start.
QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 15 2007, 07:29 PM)
I have been rifle'ing through the parts to determine what we are missing. It looks pretty complete. I need to replinish the bolt bin prior to assembly, but seriously, it looks like we have everything.
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We are going to need a slosh box.
QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 15 2007, 07:29 PM)
I have been rifle'ing through the parts to determine what we are missing. It looks pretty complete. I need to replinish the bolt bin prior to assembly, but seriously, it looks like we have everything.
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We still may be missing the 27mm front AR bar and the mounting hardware/tops for the struts on all 4 corners. We were using hose clamps to attach the struts to move it around. Other than that, I think most of it is there....
Bill P.
QUOTE (Randal @ Feb 16 2007, 08:21 AM)
QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 15 2007, 07:29 PM)
I have been rifle'ing through the parts to determine what we are missing. It looks pretty complete. I need to replinish the bolt bin prior to assembly, but seriously, it looks like we have everything.
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We are going to need a slosh box.
How about a surge tank...
QUOTE (Randal @ Feb 16 2007, 08:07 AM)
QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 15 2007, 10:30 PM)
Which trans will go on? MSX or KQV? Other? It is a 901, right?
KT
KT
A 901 with a posi and MSX gears to start.
Are you using billet intermediate plate on the 901? We used one on my 901 and I can see how it helps keep everything aligned better under stress of a higher output six.
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A 901 with a posi and MSX gears to start.
Hmmm...
Does that mean there's a spare 915/wevo sitting around? ;)
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QUOTE (Randal @ Feb 16 2007, 08:07 AM)
QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 15 2007, 10:30 PM)
Which trans will go on? MSX or KQV? Other? It is a 901, right?
KT
KT
A 901 with a posi and MSX gears to start.
Are you using billet intermediate plate on the 901? We used one on my 901 and I can see how it helps keep everything aligned better under stress of a higher output six.
We are.
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We used one on my 901 and I can see how it helps keep everything aligned better under stress of a higher output six.
I have had three different transmissions (in 4cyl race cars) that had trouble shifting after 18min of a 20 min race. Removed the billet plate, went back to stock.. no issues. The aluminum grows at a different rate. The shift rods inside the tranny where going into bind.
I use them, but I'm very careful with "who" I use them with. To this day, I have not seen a "worn out" stock plate.
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QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 16 2007, 12:57 PM)
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We used one on my 901 and I can see how it helps keep everything aligned better under stress of a higher output six.
I have had three different transmissions (in 4cyl race cars) that had trouble shifting after 18min of a 20 min race. Removed the billet plate, went back to stock.. no issues. The aluminum grows at a different rate. The shift rods inside the tranny where going into bind.
I use them, but I'm very careful with "who" I use them with. To this day, I have not seen a "worn out" stock plate.
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All let you know how things work out on my car. I suspect its an improvement.
The problem is: I cant prove to anyone WHAT the improvement is 
If the stock one doesnt show any measurable signs of wear.. why are we replacing it? because someone has a CNC machine and thinks we need it?? LOL
The load is not on the intermediate plate. It is in the bearing race for the pinion gear. NOW.. if you want to improve something, figure out a way to repair all the worn out cases that have pinion bearing races moving around in them.
I loved it when we where building new tranny's with NEW cases and new intermediate plates (billet)
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If the stock one doesnt show any measurable signs of wear.. why are we replacing it? because someone has a CNC machine and thinks we need it?? LOL
The load is not on the intermediate plate. It is in the bearing race for the pinion gear. NOW.. if you want to improve something, figure out a way to repair all the worn out cases that have pinion bearing races moving around in them.
I loved it when we where building new tranny's with NEW cases and new intermediate plates (billet)
B
QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 16 2007, 05:44 PM)
The problem is: I cant prove to anyone WHAT the improvement is
If the stock one doesnt show any measurable signs of wear.. why are we replacing it? because someone has a CNC machine and thinks we need it?? LOL
The load is not on the intermediate plate. It is in the bearing race for the pinion gear. NOW.. if you want to improve something, figure out a way to repair all the worn out cases that have pinion bearing races moving around in them.
I loved it when we where building new tranny's with NEW cases and new intermediate plates (billet)
B
If the stock one doesnt show any measurable signs of wear.. why are we replacing it? because someone has a CNC machine and thinks we need it?? LOL
The load is not on the intermediate plate. It is in the bearing race for the pinion gear. NOW.. if you want to improve something, figure out a way to repair all the worn out cases that have pinion bearing races moving around in them.
I loved it when we where building new tranny's with NEW cases and new intermediate plates (billet)
B
Got mine for free so I didnt see any harm. And it does look more substantial. I have read many reports from active six racers that use 901 trannies that this is an improvement. Gary believes it is an improvement as well and he has built a few 914 race cars. So we'll see.
I have heard the same thing, but typically they are justifying the purchase..LOL and cannot *really* tell me what the improvement was over stock.
FREE is good :notworthy:
They are more substantial.. but again?? WHY??
Dont get me wrong.. I use them.. but only because people ask me to build their boxes with them..LOL
They rank right up there with billet side covers.. "they look cool"
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FREE is good :notworthy:
They are more substantial.. but again?? WHY??
Dont get me wrong.. I use them.. but only because people ask me to build their boxes with them..LOL
They rank right up there with billet side covers.. "they look cool"
B
QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 16 2007, 06:04 PM)
I have heard the same thing, but typically they are justifying the purchase..LOL and cannot *really* tell me what the improvement was over stock.
FREE is good :notworthy:
They are more substantial.. but again?? WHY??
Dont get me wrong.. I use them.. but only because people ask me to build their boxes with them..LOL
They rank right up there with billet side covers.. "they look cool"
B
FREE is good :notworthy:
They are more substantial.. but again?? WHY??
Dont get me wrong.. I use them.. but only because people ask me to build their boxes with them..LOL
They rank right up there with billet side covers.. "they look cool"
B
What year 901, with appropriate shifting fork, works with the 915 clutch and flywheel?
Can that shifting folk be put into another 901?
You mean: clutch fork?
The problem with using the pull type clutch:
a completely new system has to be put into place to "pull" on the clutch arm. This means custom cable/brackets/blah blah.
For "spares" sake, I would run that flywheel and buy the KEP stage 3 clutch kit for 914/901. This will keep a stock clutch cable (easy to locate in paddock when it fails) The argument used to be: the push clutch couldnt handle the torque/HP.. that issue is LONG gone with the KEP 9 inch clutch package (228mm) compared to stock 210mm.
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The problem with using the pull type clutch:
a completely new system has to be put into place to "pull" on the clutch arm. This means custom cable/brackets/blah blah.
For "spares" sake, I would run that flywheel and buy the KEP stage 3 clutch kit for 914/901. This will keep a stock clutch cable (easy to locate in paddock when it fails) The argument used to be: the push clutch couldnt handle the torque/HP.. that issue is LONG gone with the KEP 9 inch clutch package (228mm) compared to stock 210mm.
B
I'd love to see some progress pictures.
KT
KT
QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 16 2007, 07:40 PM)
I'd love to see some progress pictures.
KT
KT
I'll try to get some pictures on Sunday.
QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 16 2007, 07:40 PM)
I'd love to see some progress pictures.
KT
KT
OK, here you go Trekkor.
This car is so pretty
Check out the suspension upgrades.
This one is going to be fast and handle as well.
Here's hoping we get it done in time for Hoopa.
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wow! looks so nice and clean in fresh white!
I would have added a few more pieces prior to powder coating the tub, but I wasnt around before it went to powder coat 
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QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 18 2007, 02:15 PM)
I would have added a few more pieces prior to powder coating the tub, but I wasnt around before it went to powder coat
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That color was picked specifically to highlight a certain logo that will shortly be announced.
How do you think the logo would look (say 12"X15") right behind the door? Also to be on "222" of course. <_<
Hood and trunk maybe.. you put throw away stickers on the quarters just behind the doors. That area gets BEAT UP with crap from the front tires. They are not like GT flares that dont start until much further back on the body.
The logo looks great. It appears Jeroen whipped something out for you!
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The logo looks great. It appears Jeroen whipped something out for you!
B
I want to be the "R" in BPR (Barrick/Pickering/Roberts)..LOL but I dont have any money and probably never will
Then we could be a lawfirm and a race team.
B
Then we could be a lawfirm and a race team.
B
QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Feb 18 2007, 05:17 PM)
Randal,
are you and Bill working on sourcing a small race battery like an odessy or optima?
I want one of those logos for my car..... <_<just a bit smaller than 15x12
are you and Bill working on sourcing a small race battery like an odessy or optima?
I want one of those logos for my car..... <_<just a bit smaller than 15x12
We have a test program going on now in Lucille. This is an 11pound battery. The performance so far has been great, but we have more testing to do before we offer it on our site.
Should be able by the time you are ready.
Unless you are at Thunderhill at 7am during the winter with high 30's temps.. you are not testing that battery.. ha ha Cold start with thick oil is the real test for a battery. Throw in some serious compression.. and you have something.
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QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 18 2007, 06:03 PM)
Unless you are at Thunderhill at 7am during the winter with high 30's temps.. you are not testing that battery.. ha ha Cold start with thick oil is the real test for a battery. Throw in some serious compression.. and you have something.
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Didn't you know that Bill has a drive in freezer?
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by the way,,,for the fan shroud and the intake runners....we are cleaning them, bead blasting and then a clear coat only....comes out looking really nice.
Dan,
have you seen these 1-2 years later after some use? or when they where finishing the project? 90% of the pieces I have seen done this way "yellow" the clear coat over time. I LOVE the look.. just havent seen it last very long in a high heat enviroment (runner to head)
I'm also a big fan of using brake cleaner to clean the engines.. cant do this with painted pieces.. creates a mess..LOL
B
Oh.. you can have them powder coated clear!! this works well.
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